And so that liminal space for me, whether it’s the third space or the Mestiza consciousness and then what Bayo Akomolafe calls fugitivity, and then Hannah was quoting Braithwaite, and tidalectics, and all of these new ways of thinking about that space, that is outside of what is perceived as the canon, or the dominant, or the privilege, or the Western discourse. And I think, depending on where you stand, depending on where you locate yourself, if you’re still playing the game of tenure, and academic tenure, you might still be tempted to think that that is the way to do it, is to play by the rules and ignore that liminal space and so on.

But I think, if we have a long view, if we have this thinking of seven generations down the road, if we have the view that we are not totally in control, that if we open ourselves up to those energies, to the mythic stories, to the dream world, they will speak to us of the spaces where we can create cultures and create communities and do something totally different. And, to me, that has been a comforting place to be, but it’s also a very lonely place to be, because I find, you don’t have that many people to talk to. So yeah, and for me, that is a well, because the space includes not just the space in your intellect, but includes the space of your heart, it includes the space of your ancestors, it includes the space of everything that is outside the purview of what we have come to create around this modern framework.