For a lot of people, just asking a follow up question is crazy. We often gloss over what other people say to us. But if you’re just like, “Oh, that’s interesting. Why do you say that?”—that in and of itself can make someone feel seen and heard when they haven’t been. There’s a lot of power to just going deeper on something and not glossing over shit.

‘Good teachers don’t necessarily teach,’ says Odundo, ‘but they have the ability to observe and to detect talent. Instead of giving you the answers, they help you to work out why you are questioning. The teachers who inspired me were creative themselves, a bit rebellious and eccentric and allowed you to be eccentric or different.’

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