Kanye West: … also. So, this is how it works. They have two main- main main schools that have raised the fashion icons, Parson in New York and St. Martins in London. Bernard, I know, and Pinault, that's their recruiting, you know, camp. They go there. And now, the breakthrough with Virgil is now we have someone who's come from Donda, who's come from the school of Kanye West. And I hear people talk about, "Aw, he ain't go to school." Oh, he- we went to school alright.
Charlamagne: Alright. (laughs)
Kanye West: (laughs) We went to school. We was doin' jpegs in Japan. And we, we we-, we were makin' Photoshop so much and not makin' clothes that we, we started just joking about the jpegs, like, "did you shrink my jpeg?"
Charlamagne: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Kanye West: (laughs) "Did you dye my jpeg and shit?" We- 'cause we couldn't figure out how to actually make the clothes, so we'd just do it in Photoshop, and Virgil became the fastest Photoshop artist that I've ever met in my life. We'd be sittin' in a … you know- you know right before we went to Fendi, you know just Photoshopin' things.
Charlamagne: 'Cause y'all interned at Fendi.
Kanye West: We interned at Fendi, but we ain't do shit, bruh. We ain't get to do nuttin'. I was just happy to have a key card.
Kanye West: I felt the nonconventional even from what we doin' in fashion. To me being the kid with the pink Polos, to me being outspoken, to me being ostracized because of the Taylor Swift thing or the George Bush thing, or, you know, who I'm datin', who I'm marryin', what I'm talking about, like, all of this is like an outsider thing, you know. So, when I see an outsider infiltrate, I connect with that.
Charlamagne: Not necessarily the idea of Donald Trump, but the idea of an outsider infiltrating.
Kanye West: Yeah. I like that it showed you that anything is possible. It shows you that- it doesn't- even like, Virgil, uh, working at Louis Vuitton, Trump being in office. It's a time for the unconventional
"Yeah, and that's the thing. The problem is, obviously, self-preservation is the first law of nature. But people won't hand over codes completely, to the next generation out of just protecting themselves. Like, some of the stuff we're touching on is very scary. And I'm having to be brave to talk to you about it. There's so many elements in our life that create an icon that you're supposed to look, you're supposed to feel like you're not as good as the icon."