One thing on our site that we’re really into is spirals. I was curious about your recent work with the spiral.
It started with a poem that we wrote. “But, what’s a circle without hands or time? Is that you?”. Which later was adapted into the title of a video as, “A spiral is a circle without hands or time.” Something that I’ve realized recently is that in each project that we do, I feel like there’s always either a visual or a geometric or a spatial form that serves as a skeleton for the practice at that time. Sometimes it’ll be a spiral or sometimes it’ll be a barrier. Recently we did this project in Oslo where it was a mobius strip. We often rely on these simple geometric forms to serve as skeletons for what are later character dynamics or narrative structures and things like this.
I think we exist in an intersubjective realm. Oa4s is very much about intersubjectivity because it considers itself as a collaborative and because it considers collaboration but also just because of the content of the work. Having theater come in has a lot to do with intersubjectivity. I think that when something has a very strong, concrete foundation in a notion of intersubjectivity, then you can start to talk about a lot of things that are very dynamic and active and can find more tangible grasps on social relations or social reality. Not truths, but different domains of things that exist in the universe in a way that’s more than just a single subjectivity.
I can’t speak for Temra but for me, I find myself very much drawn to collaboration. I don’t know what it is. It’s really special. I collaborate a lot. I’m always trying to find ways to work in a social way. I think it feels more real for me, or more applicable to the world when it’s social. Maybe there are more lines of sight in play.
It was useful that we had this entity without a face or without a singular identity that we could expand and be a little bit more jelly.
At least for me it feels quite romantic, the boundaries of our process and the way that we slip—the slippage between different domains of working.
Whenever we’re not working we’re probably producing text or taking notes together. We do a lot of collaborative Google Doc-ing.