I ended up reading about saponins in relationship to gut bacteria and possible effects that enhance hormones ala black cohosh and ginseng. it turns out that saponins is a natural detergent and I can probably just eat soap nuts. I found a recipe for shampoo that uses apple cider vinegar and soap nuts and I'm thinking that I should just put it on a salad.

Ancient medicine used to use it as a skin remedy, at least the soap nuts bits.

I'll have to figure out what the cheapest source of the terpene, but afaict the soap nuts are wicked cheap.

There's a bunch of studies that suggest hormone medication helps people with schizophrenia, similarly for autism. theoretically I'd be inducing the same infect through the saponin action on the microbiome and estrogen pathways.
A bunch of studies on saponin are using it as an effective prebiotic.

I’ve heard varying things about this
one I’ve heard sounds like the opposite - advising people not to eat emulsifiers or detergents because the emulsifying action supposedly causes leaky gut

but I’ve also heard beneficial claims
I don’t understand it at all

If it's a microbiome thing I'm thinking it would have different effects depending on the gut population's makeup.

Like it could kill some bacteria that don't handle it and then all of a sudden you're mucous layer on the gut is going to deteriorate.

But I'm already heavy really bias toward high acidity and I think it should be fine.

Mostly I just think it'd be funny to say that trolling a company selling detergent online helped me with autism lol.

i imagine it also has a lot to do not so much with killing but how bacteria adhere to the walls of the colon
like with cholera- they win against other bacteria by holding on as tight as they can and then flushing everything else out with a basic salt solution
only after the flushing can they compete

oh yeah I'm not going to try it until I research how the saponins effect adhesion that's absolutely what I think is going on

apple cider vinegar apparently helps with yeast which is why I'm trying it for my skin (anti-dandruff. I'm actually in the shower right now about to do my first bit. If the detergent ends up helping me the gut remove itself of aggressive yeast strains and various funguses through its effect on adhesion, it makes a lot of sense.

I've had skin problems all my life. So I reasoned that if my outside skin is fucked then that's probably what's wrong with my inside skin.

.... Don't get it in your eyes Jesus Christ.

A paper came out in April on novel uses of saponin such as an insecticide and insect repellent. That's fascinating.

If you look at the historical uses of a lot of body ointment, a lot of them end up having insecticide properties. theoretically a lot of ancient uses of these things to avoid disease, might have been because they realized at least unintentionally is that it makes you avoid insect borne diseases.
I'm going to smell like patchouli and soap nuts. start drinking apple cider vinegar to reduce the amount of CO2 my body puts out to even further avoid insects.

If zebra stripes are actually to avoid insects. Why can't cosmetics have an origin in insect avoidance. I think there is even a study done on how tribal tattoos prevent mosquito bites do to the way it disrupts their vision.