Krishnamurti: Sir, how shall we start this?

David Bohm: I understand you have something to say.

K: On lots of things but I do not know how to start it.

DB: Oh.

K: Sir, I would like to ask if humanity has taken a wrong turn.

DB: A wrong turn? Well, it must have done so, a long time ago, I think.

K: That is what I feel. A long time ago mankind must have turned.

DB: Yes.

K: I am just enquiring.

DB: It appears that way.

K: It appears that way - why? You see, as I look at it, mankind has always tried to become something - the becoming.

DB: Well possibly. You see I think that, you know, I was struck by something I read a long time ago about man going wrong when he began to be able to plunder and take slaves about five or six thousand years ago. And then after that the main purpose of existence was to just exploit and plunder and take slaves.

K: Yes, but the sense of inward becoming.

DB: Yes, so we should make it clear how this is connected. What kind of becoming was involved...